63: Covid and ECMO – Who do we cannulate? with Jenelle Badulak

“Normal life is changing.  It is now a covid 19 life” – Bin Cao

I write this with some trepidation as well as pride in the role we all get to play in Covid 19.  The sure in the US and many other places worldwide is just beginning.  It is on us to seek guidance from those who have gone through this already.  Today we will address the use of ECMO in Covid with an expert in ECMO who is in the throws of the worst outbreak of the United States – Seattle, Washington.  Jenelle Badulak and I give you a short yet powerful discussion about what Covid patients should receive ECMO.

Take homes for decision to initiate- comorbidities (HTN, DM especially), single organ dysfunction, young age, trajectory of course

Hosts – Jenelle Badulak, Zack Shinar

 

ECMO guidance for Coronavirus

  • MERS ECMO Data
    • Alshahrani MS, Sindi A, Alshamsi F, Al-Omari A, El Tahan M, Alahmadi B, Zein A, Khatani N, Al-Hameed F, Alamri S, Abdelzaher M, Alghamdi A, Alfousan F, Tash A, Tashkandi W, Alraddadi R, Lewis K, Badawee M, Arabi YM, Fan E, Alhazzani W. Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation for severe Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus. Ann Intensive Care. 2018 Jan 10;8(1):3. doi: 10.1186/s13613-017-0350-x. PubMed PMID: 29330690; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC5768582
  • Chinese Society of Extracorporeal Life Support. [Recommendations on extracorporeal life support for critically ill patients with novel coronavirus pneumonia]. Zhonghua Jie He He Hu Xi Za Zhi. 2020 Feb 9;43(0):E009. doi: 10.3760/cma.j.issn.1001-0939.2020.0009. [Epub ahead of print] Chinese. PubMed PMID: 32035430.
    • http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1180132.htm
    • Inclusion criteria under this paper are–>
    • Under optimal ventilation conditions (FiO 2 ≥ 0.8, tidal volume 6 ml / kg, PEEP ≥ 10 cmH 2 O), ECMO can be started if there are no contraindications and one of the following conditions is met 7 , 8 , 14 , 16 , 17 , 18 ] : (1) PaO 2 / FiO 2 <50 mmHg for more than 3 h; (2) PaO 2 / FiO 2 <80 mmHg for more than 6 h; (3) FiO 2 = 1.0, PaO 2 / FiO 2 <100 mmHg; (4) Arterial blood pH <7.25 and PaCO 2 > 60 mmHg for more than 6 hours, and respiratory rate> 35 times / min; (5) When respiratory rate> 35 times / min, blood pH <7.2 The plateau pressure was> 30 cmH 2 O; (6) severe air leak syndrome; (7) combined with cardiogenic shock or cardiac arrest.

 

 

 

62: Jason Bartos Take 2: The Future of ECPR Now

Last month you heard Jason talk about the ECPR program at the University of Minnesota.  This month Zack and Jason talk about post initiation care and the crazy ECPR realities that Demetris, Jason and U of M have created.  The sky is the limit for their team!

61: Jason Bartos – ECPR Redefined

Jason Bartos and his crew at the University

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of Minnesota have revolutionized the concept of ECPR for out of hospital cardiac arrests.  His crew are interventional cardiologists who take OHCA straight to the cardiac cath lab.  They have initiate times of around 6-8 minutes and have neurologically intact survival rates higher than 30%.  Below are two of Jason’s recent papers which every person who considers themselves an ECPR fan should pour over with a fine-toothed comb.  There is so much in these papers.  We split this interview into two pieces because there is so many pearls in it.

 

Outcomes

Resuscitation paper – 48% survival in 100 patients

Circulation paper 2020– 33% vs. 23% ALPS

  • Cohort who had VF/VT and one shock vs. a cohort who had VF/VT and failed to ROSC at the scene, in the ambulance, and then all the way to the hospital.
  • OHCA – > Straight to the Cath lab –> Get on ECMO –> Go to CCU under Cards care.
  • Inclusion criteria – Vf/vt, lactate <18, paO2 >50,ETCO2>10

 

References:

Bartos JA, Grunau B, Carlson C, Duval S, Ripeckyj A, Kalra R, Raveendran G,
John R, Conterato M, Frascone RJ, Trembley A, Aufderheide TP, Yannopoulos D.
Improved Survival with Extracorporeal Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation Despite
Progressive Metabolic Derangement Associated with Prolonged Resuscitation.
Circulation. 2020 Jan 3. doi: 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.042173. [Epub ahead of
print] PubMed PMID: 31896278.

Bartos JA, Carlson K, Carlson C, Raveendran G, John R, Aufderheide TP,
Yannopoulos D. Surviving refractory out-of-hospital ventricular fibrillation
cardiac arrest: Critical care and extracorporeal membrane oxygenation management.
Resuscitation. 2018 Nov;132:47-55. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2018.08.030. Epub
2018 Aug 29. PubMed PMID: 30171974.

60: ECPR 2.0 with Scott Weingart

     We’ve had some recent episodes on ECMO physiology.  Today’s episode focuses on the differences between ECMO physiology in the patient in cardiogenic shock versus the one in cardiac arrest. Scott Weingart talks with Zack about how the difference between these two patient populations is HUGE!  Scott also mentions details about cannulation and some critical post ECMO initiation pearls.

 

 

 

 

ECPR 2.0

The Patient
1. OOH Cardiac Arrest Patients are Different

Cannulation
2. Ultrasound-Guided Percutaneous Placement
3. Wire choices
4. Wire Location Verification
5. Small arterial cannulae
6. Simpler Circuits

Post-Pump Critical Care
7. Find the Injuries
8. Mandatory leg perfusion
9. Lower Anticoagulation Goals
10. Lower Flow Goals
11. Try to avoid venting – Truby et al. PMID:28422817, less is more
12. Understanding Cardiac Prognostication / Stunning
13. Understanding Neuro Prognostication
14. Protection/Ownership
15. In it for the Long Haul

 

59: Partial REBOA and US PreHospital ECPR Revisited

This month we discuss two different topics we’ve recently had on the podcast.  Albuquerque had started the first US prehospital ECPR program…. and now they have the first patient as well.  Jon and Darren will share with us the exciting news.  Second, we recently had Matt Martin on the podcast talking about partial REBOA.  We got tons of email about this.  This month Zaf Qasim and Austin Johnson come on to talk about some of the controversial aspects of partial REBOA.  Zaf also gives us a great update on the state of REBOA in the world.

 

 

58: First U.S. Pre-Hospital ECPR Program

The U.S. has seen pre-hospital programs spring up in Paris, UK, and Australia.  It was thought that due to billing issues this could never happen in America….but it has.  Jon Marinaro and Darren Braude have accomplished this against all odds.  Zack interviews the two of them on how they were able to accomplish this task amidst the many financial, logistic, and medical problems surrounding this monumental task.

 

 

 

 

The Albuquerque Bean Dip!!  Love this organization from cleanse to cannulation

 

Update:

News story

57: The New REBOA catheter – Perfecting the Partial Occlusion

Over the last several years, data has suggested that partial or intermittent REBOA may have benefit over complete REBOA.  How to do this and how to use our current imperfect catheters in this arena is still in question.  Dr. Matthew Martin and his colleagues at Madigan Medical Center have published the first study using Prytime’s new catheter for partial REBOA.  Zack interviews Matt in this episode about this latest paper in Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery as well as several other papers he’s published in the field.  Dr. Martin is extensively published in the field and offers his insight in the specific flows that maximize survival within the conflicting problems of hemorrhagic shock and lower body ischemia.

 

 

 

 

Efficacy of intermittent versus standard resuscitative endovascular balloon occlusion of the aorta in a lethal solid organ injury model.

Kuckelman J, Derickson M, Barron M, Phillips CJ, Moe D, Levine T, Kononchik JP, Marko ST, Eckert M, Martin MJ.

J Trauma Acute Care Surg. 2019 Jul;87(1):9-17. doi: 10.1097/TA.0000000000002307.

PMID: 31259868

TITRATE TO EQUILIBRATE AND NOT EXSANGUINATE!: CHARACTERIZATION AND VALIDATION OF A NOVEL PARTIAL RESUSCITATIVE ENDOVASCULAR BALLOON OCCLUSION OF THE AORTA CATHETER IN NORMAL AND HEMORRHAGIC SHOCK CONDITIONS.

Forte D, Do WS, Weiss JB, Sheldon RR, Kuckelman JP, Eckert MJ, Martin MJ.

J Trauma Acute Care Surg. 2019 May 21. doi: 10.1097/TA.0000000000002378. [Epub ahead of print]

PMID: 31135770

Resuscitative endovascular balloon occlusion of the aorta induced myocardial injury is mitigated by endovascular variable aortic control.

Beyer CA, Hoareau GL, Tibbits EM, Davidson AJ, DeSoucy ED, Simon MA, Grayson JK, Neff LP, Williams TK, Johnson MA.

J Trauma Acute Care Surg. 2019 Sep;87(3):590-598. doi: 10.1097/TA.0000000000002363.

PMID: 311453810

Selective Aortic Arch Perfusion with fresh whole blood or HBOC-201 reverses hemorrhage-induced traumatic cardiac arrest in a lethal model of non-compressible torso hemorrhage.

Hoops HE, Manning JE, Graham TL, McCully BH, McCurdy SL, Ross JD.

J Trauma Acute Care Surg. 2019 Apr 18. doi: 10.1097/TA.0000000000002315. [Epub ahead of print]

PMID:  31211744

56: Pressors, Fluid, or Flow – Optimizing ECMO Physiology

A post arrest patient just got initiated on ECMO.  Do you give fluids, add pressors, or increase flow?  Marc Dickstein, an anesthesiologist from Columbia University and an expert in the physiology of ECMO, talks with Zack about how to manage these patients, what diagnostics we need and how to optimize your use of the machine.  This talk is a must for everyone starting ECPR in their departments.

Photo: Marc Dickstein

Marc’s ECMO physiology website Harvi

Marc’s ASAIO article on ECMO physiology –

Dickstein ML. The Starling Relationship and Veno-Arterial ECMO: Ventricular Distension Explained. ASAIO J. 2018 Jul/Aug;64(4):497-501. doi: 10.1097/MAT.0000000000000660. PubMed PMID: 29076945.

Zack’s recent Resus Editorial on Impella

Shinar Z. Is the "Unprotected Heart" a clinical myth? Use of IABP, Impella,
and ECMO in the acute cardiac patient. Resuscitation. 2019 May 21. pii:
S0300-9572(19)30173-X. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2019.05.005. [Epub ahead of
print] PubMed PMID: 31125528

55 – Anticoagulation of the ECMO Patient with Troy Seelhammer

Do you give heparin to your ECMO patients?  Well, let’s rethink this.  This episode is All Things Anticoagulation!  Zack talks with Troy Seelhammer, an intensivist from Mayo Clinic Rochester.  He manages ECMO patients in his daily practice there.  He has become a master of the subject of anticoagulation and if you’re interested in other medicines you can visit a Canadian Pharmacy online for this.  He will talk about heparin, bilvalirudin, or maybe no anticoagulation.  We talk about how TEG can affect our management.  We talk about PCC and Protamine when bleeding just won’t stop.  He talks about the when to be aggressive and when to cut back.  Below is a wonderful synopsis of Troy’s thoughts on anticoagulation on pump.

 

Goal Heparin levels are far from perfect but some suggestions

APTT 1.5 to 2.5 times normal

ACT level – 180-220 seconds

Antithrombin Levels – next generation

 

Seelhammer doc on BivalirudinBivalirudin & TEG During ECMO

 

54: Confirmation of Wire Placement with Sacha Richardson

In this episode, Sacha Richardson talks with Zack about a problem common to all ECPR programs- how do we confirm the placement of the wires?  During chest compressions and even in patients with a pulse, confirmation of which vessel you have cannulated can be difficult.  Sacha shares some tricks and trips on how to get real time confirmation of the wires.  Sacha also gives us a preview of some of the exciting endeavors that he has undertaken in Melbourne with pre-hospital ECMO.