In this episode, Zack Shinar introduces a new physician to the podcast – Garrett Sterling. Garrett and Zack discuss the sticky topic of ECMO for aortic dissection. This traverses everything from VA ECMO in ECPR to VVECMO for pulmonary edema. They go through the literature on the subject and make some conclusions based on this data. The ultimate question – “Is Aortic Dissection a Contraindication for ECMO?”
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“Normal life is changing. It is now a covid 19 life” – Bin Cao
I write this with some trepidation as well as pride in the role we get to play as we begin the surge of Covid 19 in the United States. Today we will address the use of ECMO in Covid with an expert in ECMO who is in the throws of the worst outbreak of the United States – Seattle, Washington. Jenelle Badulak and I give you a short yet powerful discussion about who we should put on ECMO with Covid.
Hosts – Zack Shinar, Jenelle Badulak
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Last month you heard Jason talk about the ECPR program at the University of Minnesota. This month Zack and Jason talk about post initiation care and the crazy ECPR realities that Demetri, Jason and U of M have created. The sky is the limit for their team!
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Jason Bartos and his crew at the University
of Minnesota have revolutionized the concept of ECPR for out of hospital cardiac arrests. His crew are interventional cardiologists who take OHCA straight to the cardiac cath lab. They have initiate times of around 6-8 minutes and have neurologically intact survival rates higher than 30%. Below are two of Jason’s recent papers which every person who considers themselves an ECPR fan should pour over with a fine-toothed comb. There is so much in these papers. We split this interview into two pieces because there is so many pearls in it.
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Today’s episode focuses on the differences between ECMO physiology in the patient in cardiogenic shock versus the one in cardiac arrest.
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This month we discuss two different topics we’ve recently had on the podcast. Albuquerque had started the first US prehospital ECPR program…. and now they have the first patient as well. Jon and Darren will share with us the exciting news. Second, we recently had Matt Martin on the podcast talking about partial REBOA. We got tons of email about this. This month Zaf Qasim and Austin Johnson come on to talk about some of the controversial aspects of partial REBOA. Zaf also gives us a great update on the state of REBOA in the world.
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The U.S. has seen pre-hospital programs spring up in Paris, UK, and Australia. It
was thought that due to billing issues this could never happen in America….but it has. Jon Marinaro and Darren Braude have accomplished this against all odds. Zack interviews the two of them on how they were able to accomplish this task amidst the many financial, logistic, and medical problems surrounding this monumental task.
Over the last two years, partial or intermittent REBOA has been
thought to be a significant advantage over complete REBOA. How to do this and how to use our current imperfect catheters in this arena is still in question. Matthew Martin and his colleagues at Madigan Medical Center have published the first study using the Prytime’s new catheter for partial REBOA. Zack interviews Matt in this episode about his latest paper in Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery. Dr. Martin is extensively published in the field and offers his insight in the specific flows that maximize survival within the conflicting problems of hemorrhagic shock and lower body ischemia.
A post arrest patient just got initiated on ECMO. Do you give fluids, add pressors, or increase flow? Marc Dickstein, an anesthesiologist from Columbia University and an expert in the physiology of ECMO, talks with Zack about how to manage these patients, what diagnostics we need and how to optimize your use of the machine. This talk is a must for everyone starting ECPR in their departments.
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Do you give heparin to your ECMO patients? Well, let’s rethink this. This episode is All Things Anticoagulation! Zack talks with Troy Seelhammer, an intensivist from Mayo Clinic Rochester. He manages ECMO patients in his daily practice there. He has become a master of the subject of anticoagulation. He will talk about heparin, bilvalirudin, or maybe no anticoagulation. He talks about the when to be aggressive and when to cut back. Below is a wonderful synopsis of Troy’s thoughts on anticoagulation on pump.
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