67: Da DO2: Fundamental ECMO Physiology with Sage Whitmore

Have you ever wondered about how initiating ECMO changes the cardiovascular physiology?  Have you wondered what metrics you should be looking at when resuscitating a patient that has a beating heart and a ECMO flow?  Dr. Sage Whitmore, an ED Intensivist from Nashville with ECMO training from UMichigan, leads us through the basic to the tough questions of ECMO physiology.

65: ECPR Journal Club: Dual Sequential Defibrillation, CT after ECMO, and much, much more

This month we tackle a number of topics.  Garrett Sterling is back again with Zack to talk about cutting edge resuscitation, ECMO, and the interplay between the two.  Dual sequential defibrillation, CT after ECMO initiation, should you perform bystander CPR in the era of Covid, some US ECMO data, and an awesome 3D modeling for ECPR training models.  All in one 30 minute podcast!
Reverse CPR – better systolic BPs
Brown J., Rogers J., Soar J. Cardiac arrest during surgery and ventilation in the prone position: a case report and systematic review. Resuscitation. 2001;50:233–238. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Mazer S.P., Weisfeldt M., Bai D. Reverse CPR: a pilot study of CPR in the prone position. Resuscitation. 2003;57:279–285. [PubMed] [Google Scholar] DOI:  10.1016/s0300-9572(03)00037-6
Wei J., Tung D., Sue S.H., Wu S., van Chuang Y.C., Chang C.Y. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation in prone position: A simplified method for outpatients. Journal of the Chinese Medical Association. 2006;69:202–206. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
SLides on Prone CPR
Risk to providers of CPR in Covid
 
Fear of Covid in CPR
Witnesses still providing CPR in Covid era – 53 vs. 49% in Paris
Witnesses didn't provide in Sydney
Dual Sequential Defibrillation (DSD)
Columbus Ohio Paramedics – http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2016.08.002
San Antonio Texas – no benefit of DSD – http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2016.06.011
Damaged Defibrillator from DSD – DOI: 10.1016/j.annemergmed.2017.04.005
Toronto – Cheskes RCT -DSD and vector change better than standard defibrillation –  https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2020.02.010
National Data on ECMO use in US
J. Hadaya, et al., National trends in utilization and outcomes of extracorporeal support for in- and
out-of-hospital cardiac arrest, Resuscitation (2020), https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2020.02.034
Early CT after ECMO
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2019.11.024
3d printed  ECPR modeling
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.resuscitation.2020.01.032

64: Contraindicated??? – Long Live the Aortic Dissection with Garrett Sterling

Aortic Dissection is a contraindication for ECMO….or is it?  In this episode, Zack Shinar and Garrett Sterling discuss the sticky topic of ECMO for aortic dissection.  They discuss a recent case where Joe Bellezzo, Karl Limmer, Craig Larsen, and the entire Sharp team save a Type A aortic dissection with cardiac arrest.

Zack and Garrett traverse the details around ECMO in aortic dissection ranging from VA ECMO in ECPR to VVECMO for pulmonary edema.  They go through the literature on the subject and make some conclusions based on this data. The ultimate question – “Is Aortic Dissection a Contraindication for ECMO?”

Joe's interview of Michael – Great to hear his memory of the event.

Michael's podcast on his experience – The Heart of the Matter

 

 

Hou XT, Sun YQ, Zhang HJ, Zheng SH, Liu YY, Wang JG. Femoral artery

cannulation in Stanford type A aortic dissection operations. Asian Cardiovasc

Thorac Ann. 2006 Feb;14(1):35-7. PubMed PMID: 16432116.

 

Kelly C, Ockerse P, Glotzbach JP, Jedick R, Carlberg M, Skaggs J, Morgan DE.

Transesophageal echocardiography identification of aortic dissection during

cardiac arrest and cessation of ECMO initiation. Am J Emerg Med. 2019

Jun;37(6):1214.e5-1214.e6. doi: 10.1016/j.ajem.2019.02.039. Epub 2019 Feb 27.

PubMed PMID: 30862393.

 

Yukawa T, Sugiyama K, Miyazaki K, Tanabe T, Ishikawa S, Hamabe Y. Treatment of

a patient with acute aortic dissection using extracorporeal cardiopulmonary

resuscitation after an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: a case report. Acute Med

Surg. 2017 Dec 19;5(2):189-193. doi: 10.1002/ams2.324. eCollection 2018 Apr.

PubMed PMID: 29657734; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC5891112

62: Jason Bartos Take 2: The Future of ECPR Now

Last month you heard Jason talk about the ECPR program at the University of Minnesota.  This month Zack and Jason talk about post initiation care and the crazy ECPR realities that Demetris, Jason and U of M have created.  The sky is the limit for their team!

61: Jason Bartos – ECPR Redefined

Jason Bartos and his crew at the University

Image result for university of minnesota cardiology"

of Minnesota have revolutionized the concept of ECPR for out of hospital cardiac arrests.  His crew are interventional cardiologists who take OHCA straight to the cardiac cath lab.  They have initiate times of around 6-8 minutes and have neurologically intact survival rates higher than 30%.  Below are two of Jason’s recent papers which every person who considers themselves an ECPR fan should pour over with a fine-toothed comb.  There is so much in these papers.  We split this interview into two pieces because there is so many pearls in it.

 

Outcomes

Resuscitation paper – 48% survival in 100 patients

Circulation paper 2020– 33% vs. 23% ALPS

  • Cohort who had VF/VT and one shock vs. a cohort who had VF/VT and failed to ROSC at the scene, in the ambulance, and then all the way to the hospital.
  • OHCA – > Straight to the Cath lab –> Get on ECMO –> Go to CCU under Cards care.
  • Inclusion criteria – Vf/vt, lactate <18, paO2 >50,ETCO2>10

 

References:

Bartos JA, Grunau B, Carlson C, Duval S, Ripeckyj A, Kalra R, Raveendran G,
John R, Conterato M, Frascone RJ, Trembley A, Aufderheide TP, Yannopoulos D.
Improved Survival with Extracorporeal Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation Despite
Progressive Metabolic Derangement Associated with Prolonged Resuscitation.
Circulation. 2020 Jan 3. doi: 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.042173. [Epub ahead of
print] PubMed PMID: 31896278.

Bartos JA, Carlson K, Carlson C, Raveendran G, John R, Aufderheide TP,
Yannopoulos D. Surviving refractory out-of-hospital ventricular fibrillation
cardiac arrest: Critical care and extracorporeal membrane oxygenation management.
Resuscitation. 2018 Nov;132:47-55. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2018.08.030. Epub
2018 Aug 29. PubMed PMID: 30171974.

60: ECPR 2.0 with Scott Weingart

     We've had some recent episodes on ECMO physiology.  Today's episode focuses on the differences between ECMO physiology in the patient in cardiogenic shock versus the one in cardiac arrest. Scott Weingart talks with Zack about how the difference between these two patient populations is HUGE!  Scott also mentions details about cannulation and some critical post ECMO initiation pearls.

 

 

 

 

ECPR 2.0

The Patient
1. OOH Cardiac Arrest Patients are Different

Cannulation
2. Ultrasound-Guided Percutaneous Placement
3. Wire choices
4. Wire Location Verification
5. Small arterial cannulae
6. Simpler Circuits

Post-Pump Critical Care
7. Find the Injuries
8. Mandatory leg perfusion
9. Lower Anticoagulation Goals
10. Lower Flow Goals
11. Try to avoid venting – Truby et al. PMID:28422817, less is more
12. Understanding Cardiac Prognostication / Stunning
13. Understanding Neuro Prognostication
14. Protection/Ownership
15. In it for the Long Haul

 

58: First U.S. Pre-Hospital ECPR Program

The U.S. has seen pre-hospital programs spring up in Paris, UK, and Australia.  It was thought that due to billing issues this could never happen in America….but it has.  Jon Marinaro and Darren Braude have accomplished this against all odds.  Zack interviews the two of them on how they were able to accomplish this task amidst the many financial, logistic, and medical problems surrounding this monumental task.

 

 

 

 

The Albuquerque Bean Dip!!  Love this organization from cleanse to cannulation

 

Update:

News story

56: Pressors, Fluid, or Flow – Optimizing ECMO Physiology

A post arrest patient just got initiated on ECMO.  Do you give fluids, add pressors, or increase flow?  Marc Dickstein, an anesthesiologist from Columbia University and an expert in the physiology of ECMO, talks with Zack about how to manage these patients, what diagnostics we need and how to optimize your use of the machine.  This talk is a must for everyone starting ECPR in their departments.

Photo: Marc Dickstein

Marc's ECMO physiology website Harvi

Marc's ASAIO article on ECMO physiology –

Dickstein ML. The Starling Relationship and Veno-Arterial ECMO: Ventricular Distension Explained. ASAIO J. 2018 Jul/Aug;64(4):497-501. doi: 10.1097/MAT.0000000000000660. PubMed PMID: 29076945.

Zack's recent Resus Editorial on Impella

Shinar Z. Is the "Unprotected Heart" a clinical myth? Use of IABP, Impella,
and ECMO in the acute cardiac patient. Resuscitation. 2019 May 21. pii:
S0300-9572(19)30173-X. doi: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2019.05.005. [Epub ahead of
print] PubMed PMID: 31125528

54: Confirmation of Wire Placement with Sacha Richardson

In this episode, Sacha Richardson talks with Zack about a problem common to all ECPR programs- how do we confirm the placement of the wires?  During chest compressions and even in patients with a pulse, confirmation of which vessel you have cannulated can be difficult.  Sacha shares some tricks and trips on how to get real time confirmation of the wires.  Sacha also gives us a preview of some of the exciting endeavors that he has undertaken in Melbourne with pre-hospital ECMO.

52: Brain Freeze- Selective Retrograde Cerebral Perfusion for Intra-Arrest Neuroprotection

1,23456

We've all heard of therapeutic hypothermia.  Some of us have heard of deep hypothermia for traumatic arrest.  But what about deep regional hypothermia of brain for cardiac arrest!  Zack interviewed Rob Schultz, a CT surgeon resident from Calgary who is doing research on deep hypothermia of the brain using some of the tactics that are utilized in operating room.  His stuff is mind blowing!

1.
Milewski RK, Pacini D, Moser GW, et al. Retrograde and Antegrade Cerebral Perfusion: Results in Short Elective Arch Reconstructive Times. The Annals of Thoracic Surgery. 2010;89(5):1448-1457. doi:10.1016/j.athoracsur.2010.01.056
2.
Keeling WB, Leshnower BG, Hunting JC, Binongo J, Chen EP. Hypothermia and Selective Antegrade Cerebral Perfusion Is Safe for Arch Repair in Type A Dissection. The Annals of Thoracic Surgery. 2017;104(3):767-772. doi:10.1016/j.athoracsur.2017.02.066
3.
Papadopoulos N, Risteski P, Hack T, et al. Is More than One Hour of Selective Antegrade Cerebral Perfusion in Moderate-to-Mild Systemic Hypothermic Circulatory Arrest for Surgery of Acute Type A Aortic Dissection Safe? Thorac cardiovasc Surg. 2017;66(03):215-221. doi:10.1055/s-0037-1604451
4.
Perreas K, Samanidis G, Thanopoulos A, et al. Antegrade or Retrograde Cerebral Perfusion in Ascending Aorta and Hemiarch Surgery? A Propensity-Matched Analysis. The Annals of Thoracic Surgery. 2016;101(1):146-152. doi:10.1016/j.athoracsur.2015.06.029
5.
McCullough J, Zhang N, Reich D, et al. Cerebral metabolic suppression during hypothermic circulatory arrest in humans. Ann Thorac Surg. 1999;67(6):1895-1899; discussion 1919-21. [PubMed]
6.
Yan T, Bannon P, Bavaria J, et al. Consensus on hypothermia in aortic arch surgery. Ann Cardiothorac Surg. 2013;2(2):163-168. [PubMed]